Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hello everyone I recently got a package from another fellow shrimp keeper and its salty gh+ remineranlizer. My first time using it. My original : tank parameters were Kh:2 Gh:4 Ph6.8 No ammonia Tds was 368 because I have been using tap. Shrimp were doing fine and were healthy. Soo basically I fallowed the instructions and added the recommended dose of gh+ to my ro water until I reached a Tds of 150. Once that happened I slowly added the water into my tank. And the next morning 1 shrimp was dead I immediately tested my kh and it was at 5! I did a 50% water change and added pure ro to bring it down to 2. Can someone please explain to me what went wrong? And how to correctly use this stuff.. Thanks Trang Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RidallWek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 How much water did you add/change? What was the TDS of the tank water after you added the mixed RO? I can't think of why KH went up but you might've made the transition too fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I took out about half a gallon of water. The Tds of the tank after I added the new water was 370. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 My tank is 7 gallons . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 And this morning after I did my water change my Tds dropped to 270. Since I added pure ro Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 rang, did you wait at all after mixing, or did you just immediately pour it into your tank? Sometimes undissolved powder and params still change for awhile after with gh/kh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I mixed it then poured in to my tank. The instructions says its okay to pour in to my tank... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 No biggie. You just know for next time. Let it sit for an hour or so, then stir again. Some let sit overnight. It's just to make sure everything is distributed evenly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Soo when it's in the bucket i test the Tds and the kh and gh? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yepper. Or at least I do. I test once when mixing, and once more after stirring after it sits for a little while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Okay thanks! Just wondering I thought salty gh+ does not raise the kh. Why did my kh jump from 2 to 5. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Have no answer for that one. Mine doesn't raise. Test the mix after sitting. If it's not the mix, it's something in your tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Are you sure you didn't get GH/KH by mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranggalangg Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Not too sure it was sample packets labeled salty shrimp gh+ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpShack Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Where are you located? How do you get those gH, kH, pH using tap and with having high TDS? Are you using any additives such as Discus buffer to precipitate calcium & magnesium (lowering gH) or acid buffer to lower kH and pH? Because these products raise your TDS.I would start over.... You can calculate how much Salty gH+ to add accurately to your tank using a formula Volume x Delta x Factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 "You can calculate how much Salty gH+ to add accurately to your tank using a formula Volume x Delta x Factor. " Shrimpshack, would you please explain that equation? I've not heard about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpShack Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Sure, knowing the factor can be tricky, but you have to try and test it in a 5 gallon bucket. SeaChem uses this formula in their website to calculate the dosage. (measuring the volume accurately is also very important! 20gallon breeder is not accurately 20 gallon for example!)For Salty Shrimp gH+ factor is really simple; the factor is 0.0946 (3grams/5.283gallon = 0.56785917/6 = 0.0946)Delta is difference between current gH and target gHIf you were to target a gH of 5 from gH of 0 (RO/DI), then delta would be 5-0 = 5If you want to get a gH of 5 in a 5 gallon bucket, you calculate... 5gallon (volume) x 5(delta) x 0.0946 (factor) = 2.365 grams of gH+you add 2.365 grams of gH+ into 5 gallon bucket to get your gH of 5really simple calculation that apparently almost no one knows about. Super important if you want to dose calcium, magnesium, buffer, other major salts to salt water aquariums to get your concentrations exactly the way you want it. As you can see, it's also important to get that perfect gH you want for shrimp aquarium =) Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHe Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I use simplified formula: 1 gram of SS GH+ in 5 gallons bucket of RO water, I get GH=2, I use this to change water for my 20L. 1 gram of SS GH+ in 2 gallons bucket of RO water, I get GH=5. I use this to change water for my 10G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpShack Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 you can use simplified or advanced way of doing it. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHe Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 you can use simplified or advanced way of doing it. =) I have jewelry scale, so I can measure up to 10mg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 OK im a newbie at this ss gh/kh thing too. I have a 10 gallon tank, so how much of the powder do I mix? I don't have a tds meter and never bothered much about tds. My bee tank is PH 6.2 and my Neo/Tiger tank is PH 7.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pika Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I think you'll really like having a TDS meter for this. It's nearly essential. In my 10g tank, just a pinch of SS GH+/KH+ can make a huge difference in TDS, and you'll want to know that, especially for your bees. It's related to GH and KH, but if it's high for reasons besides your minerals, you can run into issues when you add more through the SS. Also, if you really have GH+/KH+ you probably DON'T want to use it for your bees. They like low low low KH, and the one you have will raise that level above their liking. You'd want GH+ only for them. What have you been using for remineralization before? Or has your tap water been right for both? To answer your question, to get from 0 GH to 6 GH, the package says to add " an evenly full measuring spoon (about 2 g) to 10 litres of water" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Sure, knowing the factor can be tricky, but you have to try and test it in a 5 gallon bucket. SeaChem uses this formula in their website to calculate the dosage. (measuring the volume accurately is also very important! 20gallon breeder is not accurately 20 gallon for example!) For Salty Shrimp gH+ factor is really simple; the factor is 0.0946 (3grams/5.283gallon = 0.56785917/6 = 0.0946) Delta is difference between current gH and target gH If you were to target a gH of 5 from gH of 0 (RO/DI), then delta would be 5-0 = 5 If you want to get a gH of 5 in a 5 gallon bucket, you calculate... 5gallon (volume) x 5(delta) x 0.0946 (factor) = 2.365 grams of gH+ you add 2.365 grams of gH+ into 5 gallon bucket to get your gH of 5 really simple calculation that apparently almost no one knows about. Super important if you want to dose calcium, magnesium, buffer, other major salts to salt water aquariums to get your concentrations exactly the way you want it. As you can see, it's also important to get that perfect gH you want for shrimp aquarium =) Where do you get the factors for each powder that you would add to the aquarium? Do you just calculate them yourself after experimenting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pika Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I was wondering that too. It would seem from GH+/KH+ I could get: 2g to 10L = 2g/2.641gal = 0.7573 0.7573/6 = 0.1262 but I don't know if that would be right or not. (Not sure if that second 6 comes from dGH raised or not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpShack Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Factors are different for every products. You'll have to test it in a sample before you actually use it for aquarium use; You calculate before you experiment it. If your experiment becomes accurate with your calculation, then that is your factor. If not, then you have to either tweak your factor's calculation a little bit (eg: SeaChem products have weird way of describing their instructions) or find out the concentration changes after each dosage (say for example every 1 grams) and then find your factor from there.Sorry if this sounds confusing, but hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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