brunoboy650 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hey guys, so I've made a thread the other day which I spotted babies and I also spotted a berried rcs. Well I looked into the tank and saw three more females saddled up. I read somewhere that if they molt? It should lead to them getting berries right? And in order to get them to molt , Id need to do a water change? If that's so, how will it effect the babies and the already berried rcs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenteam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Babies will be just fine. For the berried females try to do a slow WC with a drip system if you're worried about forcing a molt. This is my personal routine that works for me so don't take it as an absolute: Do top-off with pure ro water daily and once a month I do a 10% WC with remineralized water. Seems to keep all berried females stress free and shrimp molt when they're ready. I noticed I use to get molts that look like pieces or thin but now I only see thick full body molts. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoboy650 Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I do top off with RO, so should I do a WC of 10%? And hopefully in a perfect world they'd berry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 IMO stressing them to force a moult isn't the best way to get them to berry. Let them mature and they'll berry when ready and keep them healthy and they'll produce tonnes of babies. My PRL females berry up within days of releasing their last baby and I don't have to do anything special. Grammaknits02 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyeGuy411 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I agree with Ron, I do a 15% or so WC every two weeks. Occaisonally if my TDS is getting particularly high I will do a larger WC, but never more often than two weeks. My shrimp dont even flinch when I do the change and berry up whenever they are ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenteam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 My once a month 10% WC is not induce them to molt and force berry. I do the 10% WC to keep the tank healthy and avoid crashing. Mine molt and become berried on their own accord so the RO top-off just keeps the tank at a stable parameter since it;s small amounts on a daily basis. Grammaknits02 and Soothing Shrimp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Shrimp Depot Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Echo - going to say the same thing. Water change to force them to molt is not a recipe for success. If you have females with saddles for a long time...say a month to six weeks... and you want to encourage them I'd rather use a chiten supplement like BorneoWild Dance. http://www.theshrimptank.com/breeding-aids/borneowild-dance-40ml/ However the use of products like Dance is also somewhat controversial. Grammaknits02 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citycode01 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Babies will be just fine. For the berried females try to do a slow WC with a drip system if you're worried about forcing a molt. This is my personal routine that works for me so don't take it as an absolute: Do top-off with pure ro water daily and once a month I do a 10% WC with remineralized water. Seems to keep all berried females stress free and shrimp molt when they're ready. I noticed I use to get molts that look like pieces or thin but now I only see thick full body molts. Greenteam how you manage to keep nitrate low if you only do water change once a month? My nitrate is around 5ppm after WC and in one week it's raising to 10ppm so I have to do around 30% WC every week to keep nitrate low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Greenteam how you manage to keep nitrate low if you only do water change once a month? My nitrate is around 5ppm after WC and in one week it's raising to 10ppm so I have to do around 30% WC every week to keep nitrate low. Purigen buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoboy650 Posted March 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Thanks guys, just topped off with RO, what is this purigen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishprinceofca Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Seachem Purigen. http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html It's the good stuff. Here's a previous thread by our fellow ShrimpSpotters: http://www.shrimpspot.com/index.php?/topic/1150-any-one-uses-seachem-purigen-in-shrimp-tank/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenteam Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't use purigen or anything fancy just plants and eheim filter. I honestly never test nitrate as long as TDS looks ok then I'm good. I do a basic check of Gh and Kh from time to time but that's about all the testing I do. Ron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roborep1 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't use purigen or anything fancy just plants and eheim filter. I honestly never test nitrate as long as TDS looks ok then I'm good. I do a basic check of Gh and Kh from time to time but that's about all the testing I do. Same here. I have used purigen and think it's excellent but not necessary. You can select for plants that are nitrate sponges. Hornwort, elodia, and floaters particularly dwarf water lettuce. All those are water column feeders. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julianzh Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 10% per week is fine. I stopped using purigen and everything still fine except super high nitrate which mean I need to step up on my wc haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citycode01 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Purigen buddy. I guessed so. Red a lot about the magic of purigen and planning to try it soon. In one of my small tank with only air sponge filter I've got frogbit and water lettuce and nitrate is always 0 or very low, but in 20ga I've got external filter and if I put floating plants they floating around because of the current and the leaves become damaged and start rotting so the only option I think is purigen in the filter. The only thing I'm wording about if purigen absorbing organic waste that's mean it's going to starve nitrogen bacteria and if bacteria die it ruin the circle. Do you think it's possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrectic Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Purigen really works. I have 6 Red Belly Piranhas and you know how they get that water dirty. Before using Purigen the Ammonia levels were really dangerous and I had to do 30% WC twice a week. Now just twice a month, they even smile at me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I guessed so. Red a lot about the magic of purigen and planning to try it soon. In one of my small tank with only air sponge filter I've got frogbit and water lettuce and nitrate is always 0 or very low, but in 20ga I've got external filter and if I put floating plants they floating around because of the current and the leaves become damaged and start rotting so the only option I think is purigen in the filter. The only thing I'm wording about if purigen absorbing organic waste that's mean it's going to starve nitrogen bacteria and if bacteria die it ruin the circle. Do you think it's possible? Not sure about that but if you're going to have purigen in your filter at all times, there's nothing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roborep1 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I guessed so. Red a lot about the magic of purigen and planning to try it soon. In one of my small tank with only air sponge filter I've got frogbit and water lettuce and nitrate is always 0 or very low, but in 20ga I've got external filter and if I put floating plants they floating around because of the current and the leaves become damaged and start rotting so the only option I think is purigen in the filter. The only thing I'm wording about if purigen absorbing organic waste that's mean it's going to starve nitrogen bacteria and if bacteria die it ruin the circle. Do you think it's possible? This will not happen. Technically you can cycle with Purigen though it takes longer. Also if the purigen is after the bio media then the magic still happens in the bio media first. It's not so good that it sterilizes the tank. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citycode01 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 This will not happen. Technically you can cycle with Purigen though it takes longer. Also if the purigen is after the bio media then the magic still happens in the bio media first. It's not so good that it sterilizes the tank. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Great I have just ordered 500ml of that magic beans :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citycode01 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Not many stores selling purigen in uk even couldn't find it on eBay but I've managed to find one online store and price was ok (around 50dollars for 500m). I've received purigen on Tuesday, added 100ml in the filter and next morning i tested nitrate and it drops from 10 too 0. I couldn't believe it, that's amazing stuff! What I've also noticed that my water cleaned up a bit of tannin. Does purgen remove tannin from the almond leaves too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Purigen removes tannin unfortunately. Purigen absorbs organics. Pretty sure it's your plants that absorbed nitrate from 10 to 0. Purigen does not absorb ammonia/nitrite/nitrate but rather absorb organics before they go into nitrogen cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citycode01 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Yes I read that Purigen doesn't absorb nitrates, I've got plenty floating plants they should be suck all up. Tannin is less important the key is clean water, very happy about thit American product, it's shame people don't use it in Europe much, they just don't know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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