Subtletanks91 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I've had crystals for some time now. And I love them. I recently decided it was time to out the neos, and focus on breeding these guys. In the tank I currently have oebt culls from Erik, tibees from tan man, mischlings from Erik, and crystals from oblong (there still alive and kickin!!!) I'm going to be tearing out some of the glosso, stauro repens, a.r., and moving the ludwigia s to my high tech tank. And moving all my buces to this tank as well. All this to make room for some play toys I received in a shipment last week, ceramic shrimp cubes, a floating moss island, and possibly a shrimp waffle ball cave, not sure on that one yet though. I'll be keeping one of the breeder boxes in there to selectively get each quality femal berried with a suitable mate. I.e. Female mischling with SSS CBS or crs. Female tibee with male oebt or mischling male. Etc. etc. I want to see what can come of this type of breeding. And see if I can line breed with some sort of mutation if it pops up (fingers crossed) Specs on this tank Amazonia Cholla wood and roots Up aqua ceramic shrimp tubes Feeder dish Persicuria plant Glosso Subwassertang Xmas moss Alternantha r. Lindernia sp India Buce kapit Buce brownie red Uknown blue Buce (just a green rhizome for now until it gains energy to shoot out leaves again) Crypt affinis metallic red (will be moved to high tech tank) Fluval c3 bio media'd out with a prefilter sponge Prodibiogest every month replaced Corner air driven filter Here are some photos of some of the stock. Tibees crystals and some crystal shrimplets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Good call. I haven't seen many people play with cultivating mutations in crystals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I had figured as much. The only thing to really wait for is if a mutation pips up and catching it or learning to tell if its a mutation. Like a shrimp with two heads!!! Haha just kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Guess what I found guys. I'll post a picture later tonight. Just go home from mexican restaurant. Turned the tank light on and boom staring me in the face was a.... I'll post a pic later muahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 *drumroll* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Haha sorry guys got caught up talking with my father in law. But here it isss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 So I wonder if that's a snow or a SSSS? Is there a way to tell the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Even a quad grade s would have some red on its head. This got one spec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Respectfully I have to disagree, heh. I've seen pics from Asia of White Shrimp selectively bred from CRS to eliminate the red entirely. Admittedly they go for $$$, but still...how would one know a spontaneous throw or snow white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Good question. I guess the only answer I have is I know that the crystals I have have Snow White genes. If it is however a spontaneous throw either way it will be bred with tibee and tb when matured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Maybe some questions are impossible to answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Unless on a gentic level under a microscope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I guess we got an answer on tpt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Anyways lol. I but the bullet last night and ordered two BKK one stripe. Which I guess are consider panda. But not really because there's only one stripe. Idk who names these shrimp but BKK to me is solid black. Any white should be considered a panda. And I ordered a wine red as well. Two different sources so that combined with the 4 other sources I got my crystals tibees and mischlins and tt and oebt culls from should add for a very diverse gene pool. I'm very exited to try and cross, find a specific trait and line breed it. Something I noticed in some of the tibees I have is an orange body with the black white and grey stripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc4PC2 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 All I know is that is it very cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I guess we got an answer on tpt? Sounds like it. I agree with what you said before though. Perhaps there is no way to tell phenotype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Yeah. Oh well. We just take people word for it haha. That's like me taking a yellow fat neo and calling it magma Taiwan bee you would never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 yeah. That's why it is soooo important to deal with people you TRUST in this hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Exactly, which is a good reason to get to know the buyer or seller first. That's kinda why it's good to have a feedback section, then you know what the seller or buyer is trustworthy. I like forums because you can create friendships and trust with fellow hobbyists. Back to the main reason I'm posting this time. Does anyone know where there is a tiger crystal. Tibee Taiwan bee chart somewhere I'm trying to figure out why my tibees have orange bodies. I'm assuming they were tt crystal crosses but I could be very wrong and it could just be a mutation over the coarse of breeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I call those pseudo TiBs. Yeah, I've had them before. I ended up giving them to Oblong. I liked them while I had them, but I'm just not a TiB person unless opaque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Any idea what there bred from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Yepper. TT x CRS/CBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Hmmm. Wonder what would come out of a pseudo tibee and Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Could always try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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