Hungle64 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know a person who keeping SW and he told me that SW can have golden gene You have sw and Golden! But if you cross again sw vs sw you only get sw! The red gene do not come up And you get only sw with lower quality! Why?? I dona know But it sapiens to me!Enviado do meu GT-S7562 através de Tapatalk I find it a little confuse here though. Have you use those lower quality of sw and breed them again to see if golden gen pop up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know a person who keeping SW and he told me that SW can have golden gene I find it a little confuse here though. How you use those lower quality of sw and breed them again to see if golden gen pop up? Let me explain to you.....I had 2 colonies 10 SW and 10Golden mixed in the same tank! They breed well! After a few time i decided to separate them! 1 Tank to SW and other to Golden! Breeding the SW again i foud that theory because i never had a golden bee in that tank again! I had some good SW and other with low quality color! So like that, reminding that is just my theory, i guess that a mix of golden and snow whites dilutes the clearance of SW! I just made a research and i can found nothing of getting Goldens from SW!! But no problem!!! I will put 1 male Golden to 5 SW females to test this again!! I wil see if im wrong ( most certainly )!! Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 We learn through experimentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hi guys, OOT a bit. Do you guys still able to find real snow white (not golden bee) being sold by local shrimp shop or breed in your respective region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hi guys, OOT a bit. Do you guys still able to find real snow white (not golden bee) being sold by local shrimp shop or breed in your respective region? Yes! I can find!! In Germany! I dont know if you guys had heard about Rendo-Shrimp.... I dont know if they export to the United States! I have a lot of shrimps comming from them and they are really good including the SW!! This is the link for englysh version of the website.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 We can't get anymore in Japan and Asia. I'm suspecting all the breeder not selling it to prevent people from breed out good breed. It is because pure Snow White is the key to breed out nice solid white color. Germany is too far for me, don't think the shrimp can survive such a long journey it have to pay a lot for overnight courier. www.shrimpydaddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 We can't get anymore in Japan and Asia. I'm suspecting all the breeder not selling it to prevent people from breed out good breed. It is because pure Snow White is the key to breed out nice solid white color. Germany is too far for me, don't think the shrimp can survive such a long journey it have to pay a lot for overnight courier. www.shrimpydaddy.com Yes, i heard about that! However we have PRL and PBL ( Pure Red Line and Pure Black Line )! If we breed PBL in a clearence mode i think we can have a really nice SW shrimp! Dont you think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 But your PRL and PBL gene will be diluted and will not be having pure gene. Unless, your SW is gene mutation from PRL or PBL. www.shrimpydaddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Which brings up a couple questions of mine. #1 Say you have a snow white thrown in your Tb tank. How can you be sure it isn't an unusual TB? #2 How can you tell the difference between snow white and SSSS+ selectively bred CBS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Real Snow White is like albino and they have pigment issue. Thus, they will have traces of white translucent area. For CRS, CBS or TB overbreed or crossbreed, the translucent area has hint of color and not pure white. Not sure my explanation is clear enough. www.shrimpydaddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungle64 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hi guys, OOT a bit. Do you guys still able to find real snow white (not golden bee) being sold by local shrimp shop or breed in your respective region? Ok Hyoushoku! Let us hear the secret! I want to know your thinking behind the question! Got to be good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm just trying to find the real reason why we can't get them here. www.shrimpydaddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungle64 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm just trying to find the real reason why we can't get them here. www.shrimpydaddy.com I strongly believe that breeders keeping for them. Don't want others to come up with a new pattern. So i thought you have the same thinking or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 That's what I thought and I'm trying to find out is it happening in my area or globally. www.shrimpydaddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 But your PRL and PBL gene will be diluted and will not be having pure gene. Unless, your SW is gene mutation from PRL or PBL. www.shrimpydaddy.com From PRL its impossible cause SW is a gene mutation of Black Crystal! But yes its very dificult to have pure sw!!! People who has them are keeping them for themselfs!!! The gene will be diluted but its the way to get a really good quality SW !! I believe we can have a really nice shrimp if we breed them! They will apear after SSS! Im trying to have a colony of PRL and PBL but the price is killing me!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 My head is spinning @_@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 OFFTOPIC... i found this picture that would help a lot shrimp keepers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungle64 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 From PRL its impossible cause SW is a gene mutation of Black Crystal! But yes its very dificult to have pure sw!!! People who has them are keeping them for themselfs!!! The gene will be diluted but its the way to get a really good quality SW !! I believe we can have a really nice shrimp if we breed them! They will apear after SSS! Im trying to have a colony of PRL and PBL but the price is killing me!!!! Sorry that i am not trying to argue but more of having a better understanding here. If Crystal Red Shrimp came from a mutation of the black bumble bee in Japan, than how can we say that Snow White is impossible of a mutation of Crystal Black shrimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Sorry that i am not trying to argue but more of having a better understanding here. If Crystal Red Shrimp came from a mutation of the black bumble bee in Japan, than how can we say that Snow White is impossible of a mutation of Crystal Black shrimp. I'm not saying that the SW is impossible of a mutation of Crystal Black!!! I'm saying that is impossible mutation of Crystal Red !!! Snow White IS a mutation of Crystal Black!! Golden Bee IS a mutation of Crystal Red!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungle64 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm not saying that the SW is impossible of a mutation of Crystal Black!!! I'm saying that is impossible mutation of Crystal Red !!! Snow White IS a mutation of Crystal Black!! Golden Bee IS a mutation of Crystal Red!! Sorry I read your comment wrong there. However with mutation, there is no factor to govern it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpo Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 So from the pictures, do I really have SW shrimp? can't wait for them to breed to be sure. I am happy to have you guys chime in with great info, this will help many members learn about Crystal shrimp genetics, myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Actually, during the development of that diagram, myself and our fellow breeders in ShrimpNow forum provided part of the input to it. The creator's objective of this diagram is to provide a clean and easy view of how each variant spin-off. However, it does not tell exactly which breed it really come from. Therefore the links to the ancestor is not totally true. For example, many years ago, I can't remember who but I think is a Germany breeder, accidentally introduced tiger shrimp gene to bee shrimp and currently, all bee shrimp has tiger gene too. Thus, I recommend to read that diagram on the type of variants and grade but not really where it come from or how it is produce. www.shrimpydaddy.com Hungle64 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Ferreira Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Actually, during the development of that diagram, myself and our fellow breeders in ShrimpNow forum provided part of the input to it. The creator's objective of this diagram is to provide a clean and easy view of how each variant spin-off. However, it does not tell exactly which breed it really come from. Therefore the links to the ancestor is not totally true. For example, many years ago, I can't remember who but I think is a Germany breeder, accidentally introduced tiger shrimp gene to bee shrimp and currently, all bee shrimp has tiger gene too. Thus, I recommend to read that diagram on the type of variants and grade but not really where it come from or how it is produce. www.shrimpydaddy.com Im sorry but this information is not true!! Bee shrimps not have Tiger gene's! Think a litle be!! You are saying that we have in our tank's are Hybrids!!! The story that you have ear maybe its the apearence of Tibee Shrimps! I think, and i repeat " I THINK" the tibees apear from an accident like you said!! I know i have read that in some place...but i really don't remember!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Alexandre, I enjoy reading your posts. However when you use so many exclamation marks, it always sounds like you are shouting. heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pika Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Agree with Soothing on the extra exclamation points... but willing to cut some slack as it's mid-World Cup and almost everywhere outside of the USA is probably living with exclamation-point-levels of excitement all around these days. (Nice last minute goal, Portugal, but dang it would have been nice if we could have held on the last 30seconds... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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