Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I recently came back to shrimping after filming my web series and my neglected red rili tank has a number of shrimp with brown gills. Does anyone know of any treatments, or should I just cull the entire tank? I must have a couple hundred in there now. I've always prided myself on selling healthy shrimp. So either gotta cure 'em or kill the tank off and start over from square one. :-( Thankfully, the starting stock came from another breeder, so I don't have years of project time involved with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I seem to remember it can be caused by too much iron? I can't find that info now of course. I ordered all new filters for my RO unit today, just in case something isn't working correctly. Costly, but worth it in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmiko Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 What does brown gill look like can we see from your shrimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I tried taking a pic, but the flash is burned out on my phone cam. Here's compatible ones in prawns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Are they really deep black like the pic or lighter brown? Deep black can be fungus, brown is bacterial usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 On the ones that have it, it's dark brown. Opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'd wanna see a picture before making judgements, but the fungus is usually more aggressive and will kill off your shrimp quicker. You can try treating with nitrofuran antibacterial or maybe malachite green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Doesn't m. Green stay in the silicone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Doesn't m. Green stay in the silicone?Yes :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Doesn't m. Green stay in the silicone?Yes :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Doesn't m. Green stay in the silicone?Yes :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 What about kanaplex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Well since most if not all nitrofuran derivatives will kill the shrimp, I'd stick with a kanamycin or tetracycline derivative, because they're gentler. I have no sources or reason to believe they would be effective against this specific bacteria nor do I know the species of bacteria which might be causing the issue or I would have some more insight. You could try it, half to 3/4 dose, as always. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Decided to be safe and culled the entire tank. Next I have to sanitize it and start over. Thanks for your help anyway @Mr. F Mr. F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimple minded Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Soothing, would you share your sanitization process? I'm curious about what agents might be used to ensure a clean restart. Thanks SM Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetilda Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm sorry to hear thet, Soothing! :-( Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Thanks Svelta. I'd feel absolutely terrible if in the future I accidentally sold brown gill to someone. This is the only way I know to make sure I only sell healthy shrimp. I just have to be able to live with myself. So no chance of selling brown gill now. Shrimple minded- I uses the same sanitation as the CDC recommends for infectious diseases. 10% bleach solution. 1 cup bleach to 9 cups water. Dry well, rinse with freshwater, then dry again. Let sit for a day or two, then use as a new tank. Any cholla, I throw out as I don't want that or other porous items to soak up and retain the bleach. I also go so far as to use new substrate. And although most of us don't use these: Avoid using bleach on silk plants and brightly colored gravel or decorations, as it will fade them. svetilda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm curious why you wouldn't try to treat it first and if they all don't make it, then "cull" (remove dead shrimp) and start over then? Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Mr. F.- Peace of mind, mostly. Even if it appeared they were "cured," I wouldn't want anyone to receive one down the line that may have symptoms and pass them onto their colony. Everyone works hard to make sure their shrimp are healthy and happy. The last thing I would want is to cause illnesses in someone's tank accidentally. Mr. F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Basically, I have to look at myself in the mirror and know I'm doing everything possible to do what I consider to be the right thing. Wygglz, oem and Vpier 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Wow, that stinks. Sorry. Just out of curiosity, how did you do it? Did you remove them and freeze or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Lowered water to about an inch and poured in a 2 liter of seltzer water. Even though I had moss, it wouldn't harm my plant in this way. Yes, I have to remove my moss anyway to sterilize, but I could be sure I wouldn't transfer any affected baby shrimp. Wygglz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Mr. F.- Peace of mind, mostly. Even if it appeared they were "cured," I wouldn't want anyone to receive one down the line that may have symptoms and pass them onto their colony. Everyone works hard to make sure their shrimp are healthy and happy. The last thing I would want is to cause illnesses in someone's tank accidentally.Maybe it's sign that's it's time to switch it up to a new neo? Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Must have been heartbreaking to watch. So sorry. I have a tank of neos that have had the dreaded green protozoan in the past (and one pops up from time to time), so I will never sell/give any shrimp from that tank for the same reason. I keep all their equipment completely separate from my other tanks (they are at work and my others are at home). But I couldn't bear to nuke them Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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